New Vs Old - Metal Gear Solid 3D Vs Metal Gear (NES)

[Darran@Retro Gamer]

poll for the forum

[ipmarks]

The early one definitely.
They have gotten more complicated and with less player interaction the more modern they've got. Haven't played 3D though so I could be wrong.

[Jet Pilot]

This poll is asking us "which end of the turd is cleaner."

[HalcyonDaze00]

both rubbish

[Rinoa]

I voted for MGS 3D. Although I've not actually played the 3D version, I thought Snake Eater on the PS2 was superb.

The original Metal Gear on the NES is great, but there's just so much more to the MGS games now (story, gameplay, music, attention to detail, etc).

[nakamura]

The new one easily.

I love it when people comment in topics that they have no interest in!

[RetroMartin]

Whilst the new 3D on Snake Eater is great and it has a few extras, it's not enough to make it toooo brand spanking new.

The original was mile ahead of its time and a cracking game to play so my vote goes with that one!

[DreamcastRIP]

The pixel art of the MSX/NES game sure looks a lot nicer than the embarrassingly poor graphics of the 3DS game.

[Darran@Retro Gamer]

The pixel art of the MSX/NES game sure looks a lot nicer than the embarrassingly poor graphics of the 3DS game.

Have you actually played it, or are you simply basing it on screenshots that came from an old build. I'm guessing it's the former, because the version I'm playing is not poor looking by any means.

[Eric]

NES. Found the 3DS game to be too much stop & start, this may be just the first few levels but thought the 3D effect was great.

[DreamcastRIP]

The pixel art of the MSX/NES game sure looks a lot nicer than the embarrassingly poor graphics of the 3DS game.

Have you actually played it, or are you simply basing it on screenshots that came from an old build. I'm guessing it's the former, because the version I'm playing is not poor looking by any means.

I have no idea whether the screenshots I've seen are from an 'old build' or not but they look an abomination. The characters look fine but pretty much everything else looks horrendous. Angular objects like a PS1 game due to the low poly' count, washed out bland looking low resolution textures... the list goes on. Maybe these myriad shortcomings aren't so noticeable when the game is in motion viewed in 3D on the console's small and mediocre resolution screen...

[Darran@Retro Gamer]

The pixel art of the MSX/NES game sure looks a lot nicer than the embarrassingly poor graphics of the 3DS game.

Have you actually played it, or are you simply basing it on screenshots that came from an old build. I'm guessing it's the former, because the version I'm playing is not poor looking by any means.

I have no idea whether the screenshots I've seen are from an 'old build' or not but they look an abomination. The characters look fine but pretty much everything else looks horrendous. Angular objects like a PS1 game due to the low poly' count, washed out bland looking low resolution textures... the list goes on. Maybe these myriad shortcomings aren't so noticeable when the game is in motion viewed in 3D on the console's small and mediocre resolution screen...

So you've not actually played the game. That's all I needed to know. Still the pixel design is nice.

[samhain81]

NES

A tough one. 3D enhances MGS3 3D in every aspect, but the nostaligia I have for the old 8-bit Snake will never fade.

[DreamcastRIP]

This poll is asking us "which end of the turd is cleaner."

At least the original MSX2 version was reputedly better than the NES conversion.

From the sage that is Wikipedia,

"While the MSX2 version of this game was never released in the U.S., the Nintendo Entertainment System version came to North America in June 1988 (published by Konami's Ultra Games division), followed by PAL version in Europe and Australia in March 1988. According to Kojima's account, the NES port was developed by another Konami team at Tokyo without his involvement, who were given the source code from the MSX2 version without the consent of Kojima or anyone who worked on the original MSX2 version. While the NES version was intended to be a port of the MSX2 game, many changes were also made to the game during the porting process. Hideo Kojima has been vocal about his disappointment at the changes made to the game in its NES port."

Hideo Kojima: "I really don't like saying this, but it really wasn't up to my standards. The care that I put in the original wasn't there. It [the Famicom version] was a more difficult game. In the very beginning, when you go from the entrance into the fortress, for example, there are dogs there. In the Famicom version, the dogs just come after you and you get killed. It was too difficult to get into the fortress. The fun stealth element was not there, and the actual Metal Gear, the robot, doesn't appear in the game."


Re: the European release of the game on MSX2,
"Most of the radio messages were edited or removed in the English version, including Big Boss' comments on every item and weapon found by the player. According to a fan-translation project, only 56% of the original Japanese text was translated in the English version.[5] The translation contains many examples of erroneous English, such as consistently misspelling "destroy" as "destoroy.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_(video_game)

[RetroMartin]

While I've had my say on the polls question I thought I would just step in here to point out the NES version of Metal Gear is actually not as good as the MSX version (having played both) the music was a little iffier if I remember rightly and as the above quoted wikipedia entry mentions it was a little more difficult and had less of Kojima's "touch" in it.

I think the poll could be changed to show MGS3D vs MG (not mentioning MSX or NES) as then people can draw on their experience of whichever one they got to play. However all re-releases of MG (on HD and MGS3 Subsistence) will have the MSX version so I expect more people will have played that.