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Re: HD remakes

Postby slacey1070 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:20 am

So... devils advocate....

When PS5 is released and Xbox...errr 1440 hits the shelves, all we will have to play are old HD remake titles?

Its a bit like re-making old films... why re-make the Wicker Man?

Its like saying "I'm going to rewrite a Tale of Two Cities... using new words..."

Whats the point?

Don't get me wrong, I do kinda get it... but I'd rather play new games than re-harshed old ones, which usually aren't as good as the original anyway.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby Darran@Retro Gamer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:35 am

well that's the thing. If they're not as good then you don't bother with them, but there are a few which are defintely worth upgrading your current versions for. For me personally, I like owning the best version of something that's available, it's why I invested heavily in Blu-Ray and DVD before that. HD Remasters, when done properly, allow me to do just that.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby Freestyler on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:14 am

As I said before it's name recognition. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with how the game might turn out, or what's in it, it's just about the pre-conceptions having a "known" property brings.

Why waste money developing new IP such as "Kung-Fu Possum!" when you can just re-release your back catalogue? It doesn't even need to be the same game as before, you can just fob it off to some scrub Developer and call it a "Re-imagining."

Hollywood does it all the time. They know the serious power in Name Recognition.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby slacey1070 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:14 am

Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:well that's the thing. If they're not as good then you don't bother with them, but there are a few which are defintely worth upgrading your current versions for. For me personally, I like owning the best version of something that's available, it's why I invested heavily in Blu-Ray and DVD before that. HD Remasters, when done properly, allow me to do just that.


See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray? I already have the film... I wouldn't buy a book in paperback and hardback either...

I do get it, and if they are priced properly or give extra value, then fine.. and as I said elsewhere... Half Life HD? I'd be all over it...

Just points to more lack of creativity and imagination... at a time when FIFA and CoD are king.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby Darran@Retro Gamer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:17 am

slacey1070 wrote:
See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray?

As I said I like the best possible version of something (if it's something I'm interested in). I've actually cut down a lot of buying movies now because of love film, but I'll always pick up the Blu-Ray version over a DVD. It's just the way I am.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby thebear on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:24 am

slacey1070 wrote:
Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:well that's the thing. If they're not as good then you don't bother with them, but there are a few which are defintely worth upgrading your current versions for. For me personally, I like owning the best version of something that's available, it's why I invested heavily in Blu-Ray and DVD before that. HD Remasters, when done properly, allow me to do just that.


See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray? I already have the film... I wouldn't buy a book in paperback and hardback either...

I do get it, and if they are priced properly or give extra value, then fine.. and as I said elsewhere... Half Life HD? I'd be all over it...

Just points to more lack of creativity and imagination... at a time when FIFA and CoD are king.



DVD-Blu Ray makes more sense if anything than games

With Blu ray you get about 5 times the extras that come on a dvd, so if you're a fan of the movie it would make perfect sense to get both
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Re: HD remakes

Postby koopa42 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:37 am

slacey1070 wrote:See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray? I already have the film... I wouldn't buy a book in paperback and hardback either...


Did you replace your VHS or do you keep them too?
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Re: HD remakes

Postby slacey1070 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:21 am

koopa42 wrote:
slacey1070 wrote:See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray? I already have the film... I wouldn't buy a book in paperback and hardback either...


Did you replace your VHS or do you keep them too?


I've chucked out most on my VHS tapes - I have no way of playing them anyway.

Did I replace any? Star Wars.... thats it.

Ok - I get your point :D
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Re: HD remakes

Postby koopa42 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:50 am

slacey1070 wrote:
koopa42 wrote:
slacey1070 wrote:See, I don't do that.... I have the DVD, why buy blu-ray? I already have the film... I wouldn't buy a book in paperback and hardback either...


Did you replace your VHS or do you keep them too?


I've chucked out most on my VHS tapes - I have no way of playing them anyway.

Did I replace any? Star Wars.... thats it.

Ok - I get your point :D


TBH though the upscale from VHS to DVD is waaaaaaaaay more than DVD to BluGay :oops: I do NOT miss battered old VHS tapes
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Re: HD remakes

Postby Darran@Retro Gamer on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:40 am

koopa42 wrote:
TBH though the upscale from VHS to DVD is waaaaaaaaay more than DVD to BluGay :oops: I do NOT miss battered old VHS tapes

I'd agree from a content point of view, but when using a 50inch screen or a monitor you can see a massive difference in quality. High definition is wasted on anything under 42 inches anyway...
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Re: HD remakes

Postby koopa42 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:58 am

Darran@Retro Gamer wrote:
koopa42 wrote:
TBH though the upscale from VHS to DVD is waaaaaaaaay more than DVD to BluGay :oops: I do NOT miss battered old VHS tapes

I'd agree from a content point of view, but when using a 50inch screen or a monitor you can see a massive difference in quality. High definition is wasted on anything under 42 inches anyway...


I have a 42" HD plasma and Sony Playstation 3 media player AND some rather spiffing Sony surround gubbins I got from slick (I even bought some clear wire thingy with a little plastic bulb lookin' end bit).........and I struggle to see a massive increase from DVD TBH but I'm not a huge AV gubb head. The sound seems better though?
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Re: HD remakes

Postby SirClive on Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:22 pm

slacey1070 wrote:So... devils advocate....

When PS5 is released and Xbox...errr 1440 hits the shelves, all we will have to play are old HD remake titles?

Its a bit like re-making old films... why re-make the Wicker Man?

Its like saying "I'm going to rewrite a Tale of Two Cities... using new words..."

Whats the point?

Don't get me wrong, I do kinda get it... but I'd rather play new games than re-harshed old ones, which usually aren't as good as the original anyway.


But that isn't what these are. They are not remakes, they are remasters. Making the games a bit shinier and available on a new format. I have no desire to ever get my PS2 out of the cupboard (as looking back now, it was such an overrated piece of tosh), but it did have some classics and I do want the chance to play them now.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby slacey1070 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:02 pm

SirClive wrote:
slacey1070 wrote:So... devils advocate....

When PS5 is released and Xbox...errr 1440 hits the shelves, all we will have to play are old HD remake titles?

Its a bit like re-making old films... why re-make the Wicker Man?

Its like saying "I'm going to rewrite a Tale of Two Cities... using new words..."

Whats the point?

Don't get me wrong, I do kinda get it... but I'd rather play new games than re-harshed old ones, which usually aren't as good as the original anyway.


But that isn't what these are. They are not remakes, they are remasters. Making the games a bit shinier and available on a new format. I have no desire to ever get my PS2 out of the cupboard (as looking back now, it was such an overrated piece of tosh), but it did have some classics and I do want the chance to play them now.


Except they aren't... stand up Silent Hill.... its worse than the original.

I do get your point though . . . and not saying its wrong.... I just can't think of many titles I'd want to see as an "HD remake"... Half life is probably the only one off the top of my head.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby SirClive on Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:19 pm

You are still calling them remakes ;)

I would love to see a Spyro HD collection with the first 3 games (the only 3 good ones) all tarted up. Though I suppose PS1 to PS3 is probably a lot more work than PS2 to PS3.
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Re: HD remakes

Postby will2097 on Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:14 pm

My problem is that the originals were often awesome, and the HD remakes are meh.

Now, if they did a remake (HD uprgade? I'm getting confused here) of Winning Run or Virtua Racer or Resident Evil 1 or Colony Wars or something like that, where it was exactly the same game mechanics (maybe teeny tweaks) but the PS3 was left in pool of its own sweat after playing, and my jaw was sliding around in it, that would be what I want.

The remake of resident evil 4 was meh. I played it, I played it all the way through, and it was the same ace game it always was, but it wasn't graphically, despite the HD tagged on, even close to Uncharted 3 or Killzone 3 in terms of graphics, it was almost exactly the same as the GC version. Or indeed the PS2 version, that would have run on the original PS3 before the tight-wads at Sony pulled the backwards compatibility, knowing that they could screw me out £15 for pretty much precisely the same game. Microsoft did the same. Ooooh Strangers Wrath, get excited now, to play a game that's readily available on eBay, but won't run on your current hardware because we knew we could screw you all further down the line if we only half-arsedily do BC.
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